Prone as a Conditional

[rhagelstrom]

Playing around with Prone, determined that it doesn't respect conditionals. The following will apply the Prone although the conditional isn't met.

IF: CUSTOM(foobar); Prone

It appears the check is made in

EffectManager.hasCondition(rSource, "Prone")

which doesn't do conditionals vs

EffectManager5E.hasEffectCondition(rSource, "Prone")

Maybe this is intended I just don't know why

[LordEntrails]

MOD: Note, I moved this to it's own thread. The bug thread you posted in originally is intended for module/dlc bugs, not ruleset coding questions. You will probably get better visibility with these type of questions/discussion in their own thread

[Moon Wizard]

What's the use case for this scenario?

Prone is more of an actor "status", than a "condition". (though they're all called conditions in the rules technically). A creature is either Prone or it's not. How can a creature be conditionally Prone?

JPG

[MrDDT]

What's the use case for this scenario?

Prone is more of an actor "status", than a "condition". (though they're all called conditions in the rules technically). A creature is either Prone or it's not. How can a creature be conditionally Prone?

JPG

Couldn't you say this for anything? It either has it or it doesn't. Bonus to attack? It either has it or it doesn't.

Example of this could be a shape changer who change forms might be prone while in a certain form.

[rhagelstrom]

What's the use case for this scenario?

Prone is more of an actor "status", than a "condition". (though they're all called conditions in the rules technically). A creature is either Prone or it's not. How can a creature be conditionally Prone?

JPG

I don’t have a use case. Someone was asking me effects questions and wanted to do a prone conditional and I thought it peculiar enough to report because it seems to go out of its way to avoid conditionals intentionally or unintentionally is all.

[Moon Wizard]

In general, I'd like to revamp this whole system to be a bit more flexible, but it's not on the current work list internally for us.

@MrDDT,
Yes, but Prone is a special status that reflects a very specific physical position that a creature either is or is not in. Something can't be conditionally Prone; either they are prone or they are not.

@rhagelstrom,
There are actually a few different effect types that don't support conditionals, or don't support targeted conditionals.

Regards,
JPG

[MrDDT]

In general, I'd like to revamp this whole system to be a bit more flexible, but it's not on the current work list internally for us.

@MrDDT,
Yes, but Prone is a special status that reflects a very specific physical position that a creature either is or is not in. Something can't be conditionally Prone; either they are prone or they are not.

@rhagelstrom,
There are actually a few different effect types that don't support conditionals, or don't support targeted conditionals.

Regards,
JPG

Example of this would be if you are grappled you are also prone, when you are not grappled you are not prone.

Like a snake would not be considered prone while it's able to move around; however, when it's grappled its considered prone.

I can make examples like this all day.

Either you are x or you are not can apply to anything if the above case doesn't work for prone.

How this works is, someone is applying grapple do you, they do not know you go prone when you are grappled, its not normal for that to happen, however, you can then code an effect that checks to see if grappled you are prone, so someone throws grapple on you and boom you are also prone.
Doesn't all the if statements kinda work like this? Am I missing something special about prone vs other if statements?

IF: poisoned; DISSAV: wisdom

Why would it be different for prone? You either have disadvantage on wisdom saves or you don't.

[Zacchaeus]

Example of this would be if you are grappled you are also prone, when you are not grappled you are not prone.

Where are you seeing this? There's nothing in grappled which suggests you are also prone that I can see.