Yeah... screw you Wizards!

[Hamish]

As I posted elsewhere.... there is probably going to be a 4th Ed OGL as well. So just another ruleset to create.

[Waldo Pepper]

A lot depends on how they write the new OGL - if licensing fees are involved for commercial uses (i.e., you're going to charge money for it), a lot of 3rd parties are liable not to produce stuff for the 4th edition. I can't imagine that DA would be making anything at all if they had to pay a sizable licensing fee in order to produce a 4th edition ruleset.

[richvalle]

You wouldn't have to pay a fee to do OGL would you? I mean, thats whats open about it.

Others are questioning this as well... I'm sure it will get sorted out in time.

rv

[kalmarjan]

A lot depends on how they write the new OGL - if licensing fees are involved for commercial uses (i.e., you're going to charge money for it), a lot of 3rd parties are liable not to produce stuff for the 4th edition. I can't imagine that DA would be making anything at all if they had to pay a sizable licensing fee in order to produce a 4th edition ruleset.

What makes you think that licencing fees are not the standard now?

We will have to wait and see about what comes around with 4e. For now, there is a lot left to play with with 3.5, and there is something else aside from D&D...

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[Malovech]

True20 already trumps anything Wizards creates. I'll just keep stealing their artwork and maps for my own purposes.

[Sigurd]

True20 looks very interesting, I even found a DM who... oh.


Hi Malovech....


Sigurd

[NymTevlyn]

There's some info coming out now about 4e. Racial levels, fighter "spells", I mean maneuvers... meh.

[Thore_Ironrock]

Hey guys ... thought I would chime in on this from Ground Zero ...

I heard about this on Wednesday ... and my initial reaction was ... so what.

Several people have come to me "bent out of shape" wondering if Fantasy Grounds and/or Digital Adventure is going to be effected by this ( :::cough::: Jason :::cough::: ), and my flat out answer is ... no.

The way I see it, anyone that uses Fantasy Grounds is likely not a HUGE fan of WOTC right now as it is, since you really can't put their product in FG, other than using the SRD. If they put out a product you can play online that 110% supports their new product, then all the power to them. There is no way they are going to license this to me or anyone else, and all of the other publishers out there that suddenly want to get their games online are going to turn to (me, hopefully) Fantasy Grounds.

Also, nearly everyone (one exception from a WOTC enthusist) we talked to today could have cared less about what WOTC was going to do, feeling pretty much the same way many are they people just dropped 100+ dollars for the core 3.5 books (plus whatever else) and were not going to dish out MORE within the next year.

In addition, if anyone has any "FEARS" that WOTC is going to revoke the current d20 license ... please relax. There is no way they can without getting sued about a million times. The won't have OGL for 4E, and only those with huge bankrolls are going to be able to do any sort of licensing with them (which probably means only computer gaming companies).

So basically ... everyone here has their opinion on what 4E means to them, but I have yet to hear that someone is *really* excited about it. In fact, one person said it was going to be a variation of the Star Wars Saga rules, and when he said it there was much venom in his voice.

Me ... I could care less.

[Waldo Pepper]

Thore,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm curious though, have they officially announced the non-OGL format for 4th edition? It wouldn't surprise me but I haven't been able to find anything to confirm or refute those rumors.

[Illrigger]

Current info says that 4e will have an SRD and OGL just like now. But they also said that there's no 4e, so we won't know until after the core books are all out in July what exactly the deal is.

Personally, I like what they did in SW:SE, and I kinda welcome those changes in 4e if that's what they're doing. And if their character generator is good, and their VGT is well written (with things like light sourcing, personal field of vision and other hard to progam aspects of play), and the online portion atually works properly with new content from their new books and said content is available when the books come out, it might be worth the $10 per month for that function for a VGT.

(Note how many IFs there are there....)

That being said, a VGT will bite into one of their bread and butter items - miniature sales - so it will be interesting to see what happens there. Will they start putting codes on the bottom of the minis that you can input to "unlock" them on the VGT like they will the books? If they do, will I need to buy 10 goblin minis if I want to use 10 in my adventure?

Wanna start a pool on how fast keygens show up online to unlock the books in Gleemax?