Pre-Gen Iseph has Sense Motive -1 - ???

[Tuleen Donai]

So, I've been walking through the Character Creation process using FGU, and I think I've got all the Skills, Abilities, and Feats all correct and adding Insight Bonuses and Ranks correctly.

But for the Life of me, I cannot figure out how Iseph ends up with a Sense Motive of -1.

Help?

[deer_buster]

Xml?

[Tuleen Donai]

No, this is based on the Pre-Gen Iseph PDF downloaded from Paizo. I'm walking through the Character Creation process using the FGU GUI.

[madman]

Flat affect racial trait -2 / +1 Insight for Class

Madman..

[Tuleen Donai]

Yes, that's true, but here's my quandary.

Wis Bonus (+0) + Class Skill (+1) + Flat Effect (-2) = -1


Here's a picture of what I have - What's wrong with it? All the other Skill Bonuses work out except this one.

Something's not right - because the math isn't working out.

Addendum: There are other Skill Bonuses that aren't right either like: Culture, Disguise, Medicine, Piloting (even though it looks right,) and Survival.

It appears to have to do with the Ranks.

[Tuleen Donai]

Maybe what I don't understand are the check boxes next to each Skill on the left. I had thought they represented Show on Mini and Class Skill, but maybe I'm misunderstanding the Class Skill Flag.

Trained Class Skill??

I don't think I understand what the difference is between a Class Skill(+1) and a Trained Class Skill(+3). What determines if it's trained or not? Certainly not Rank (+1)

[Tuleen Donai]

OK. I THINK I've got it now.

It turns out, reverse engineering the Pre-Gen's Skills and Bonuses is a bit of a fiddle. Evidently, you need to allocate the Skill Ranks BEFORE the Class Skill Bonuses (otherwise, you can't change the Ranks.)

I figured out where I needed the Ranks, then applied the Class Skill Bonuses by checking the boxes in the Bonus Window, then go back and click "[Trained] Class Skill" check boxes for each skill that HAS a rank.

Is this how y'all do it?

[madman]

Looking at that skills tab it is hard to tell. Flat affect is a racial -2 (Ra). you should only have two free skills (Acrobatics, Stealth) I am not sure what level your version of Iseph is though.

[deer_buster]

OK. I THINK I've got it now.

It turns out, reverse engineering the Pre-Gen's Skills and Bonuses is a bit of a fiddle. Evidently, you need to allocate the Skill Ranks BEFORE the Class Skill Bonuses (otherwise, you can't change the Ranks.)

I figured out where I needed the Ranks, then applied the Class Skill Bonuses by checking the boxes in the Bonus Window, then go back and click "[Trained] Class Skill" check boxes for each skill that HAS a rank.

Is this how y'all do it?

No, you cannot have more free and purchased ranks in a skill than you do levels. So at first level, you can have either a free rank or a purchased rank, not both.

[Evolivolution]

So I can tell you why there is a +2 in your "wrong" character sheet. You have the +0 from Wis you have +1 from skill ranks (in this case apparently a free skil rank) then you get +3 because its a class skill with at least one skill rank (free or not doesn't matter here) and then you have the -2 from androids (which btw should go into racial bonuses and not insight) adding up to be a +2.
But as Madman pointed out you did the free skill ranks wrong from the ground up. Hopefully you've been able to fix it