High resources utilisation

[YAKO SOMEDAKY]

Currently I play on a PC that is practically 12 years old (i7 3770, 16 GB DDR3 1600, SSD 480 GB with Windows 10 updated in version 21H1) the games go well and without problems, my only comparative complaint between the FGC and the FGU is that information from spreadsheets loads faster into the FGC.
I play SWADE and Rolemaster Classic and switching between tabs (at least in these rule sets) is very slow compared to FGC, no matter if using extensions or not.

[damned]

My GPU is running at 30-45%
Its a desktop not a laptop so it is going to cool better
I dont think my GPU has a fan - just a big heat sink

[dimonic]

SW tracks usage, and posts them several times a year. See Ddavisons blog.

FGU does not require a gaming rig, or anything near that. I run on an 8 year old laptop with acceptable performance with pretty large campaigns, Los and vision.

If you wish to post detailed info, logs, sample campaign etc, folks are happy to give advice. The most common things are to check your video driver settings, make sure the card is use application settings for FGU. The other is to use vsync and image quality settings.

Sure. As I said, it is a Lenovo Thinkpad T440 with 12 GB ram, SSD.
I run Debian buster.

Here is my cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 69
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz
stepping : 1
microcode : 0x24
cpu MHz : 898.956
cache size : 4096 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 4
core id : 0
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 0
initial apicid : 0
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm epb invpcid_single ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp kaiser tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid xsaveopt dtherm ida arat pln pts flush_l1d
bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds swapgs itlb_multihit
bogomips : 5387.71
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:


Repeat for 3 more cores.

For meminfo (before):
MemTotal: 11991300 kB
MemFree: 4049260 kB
MemAvailable: 10050228 kB
Buffers: 1096332 kB
Cached: 5048544 kB
SwapCached: 7800 kB
Active: 4554120 kB
Inactive: 2785896 kB
Active(anon): 1189592 kB
Inactive(anon): 261612 kB
Active(file): 3364528 kB
Inactive(file): 2524284 kB
Unevictable: 16 kB
Mlocked: 16 kB
SwapTotal: 12260348 kB
SwapFree: 12192588 kB
Dirty: 172 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 1191596 kB
Mapped: 558048 kB
Shmem: 256064 kB
Slab: 488572 kB
SReclaimable: 432176 kB
SUnreclaim: 56396 kB
KernelStack: 9744 kB
PageTables: 19968 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 18255996 kB
Committed_AS: 4975860 kB
VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB
VmallocUsed: 0 kB
VmallocChunk: 0 kB
HardwareCorrupted: 0 kB
AnonHugePages: 0 kB
ShmemHugePages: 0 kB
ShmemPmdMapped: 0 kB
HugePages_Total: 0
HugePages_Free: 0
HugePages_Rsvd: 0
HugePages_Surp: 0
Hugepagesize: 2048 kB
DirectMap4k: 547964 kB
DirectMap2M: 11714560 kB
DirectMap1G: 1048576 kB

Meminfo (after loading campaign):
MemTotal: 11991300 kB
MemFree: 2217456 kB
MemAvailable: 8247140 kB
Buffers: 1096548 kB
Cached: 5265956 kB
SwapCached: 7800 kB
Active: 6189012 kB
Inactive: 2975896 kB
Active(anon): 2796840 kB
Inactive(anon): 450696 kB
Active(file): 3392172 kB
Inactive(file): 2525200 kB
Unevictable: 16 kB
Mlocked: 16 kB
SwapTotal: 12260348 kB
SwapFree: 12192588 kB
Dirty: 216 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 2798896 kB
Mapped: 668828 kB
Shmem: 445132 kB
Slab: 489640 kB
SReclaimable: 432332 kB
SUnreclaim: 57308 kB
KernelStack: 10432 kB
PageTables: 24128 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 18255996 kB
Committed_AS: 7099168 kB
VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB
VmallocUsed: 0 kB
VmallocChunk: 0 kB
HardwareCorrupted: 0 kB
AnonHugePages: 0 kB
ShmemHugePages: 0 kB
ShmemPmdMapped: 0 kB
HugePages_Total: 0
HugePages_Free: 0
HugePages_Rsvd: 0
HugePages_Surp: 0
Hugepagesize: 2048 kB
DirectMap4k: 547964 kB
DirectMap2M: 11714560 kB
DirectMap1G: 1048576 kB

console.log:
[7/24/2021 10:45:09 AM] FGU: v4.1.4 ULTIMATE (2021-06-08)
[7/24/2021 10:45:09 AM] OS: Linux 4.9 Devuan GNU/Linux 3 64bit
[7/24/2021 10:45:09 AM] GRAPHICS: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile : 512
[7/24/2021 10:45:09 AM] UI SCALE: 1
[7/24/2021 10:45:09 AM] USER: dimonic
[7/24/2021 10:45:09 AM] Launcher scene starting.
[7/24/2021 10:45:21 AM] Daily session backup created.
[7/24/2021 10:45:21 AM] Starting private server mode. [(192.168.0.175:1802) (fe80::ed47:f406:beec:c5aa%3:1802)]
[7/24/2021 10:45:21 AM] Game server started. [192.168.0.175:1802]
[7/24/2021 10:45:21 AM] Launcher scene exiting.
[7/24/2021 10:45:21 AM] Tabletop scene starting.
[7/24/2021 10:45:21 AM] NETWORK STATUS: [Server] [Connected]
[Server Type - LAN]
[7/24/2021 10:45:39 AM] MEASURE: RULESETS LOAD - 17.782552 - 2E
[7/24/2021 10:45:39 AM] MEASURE: EXTENSIONS LOAD - 0.00055 - 0
[7/24/2021 10:45:40 AM] MEASURE: MODULE LIST BUILD - 1.038976 - 15
[7/24/2021 10:45:40 AM] MEASURE: REFRESH IMAGE ASSETS - 0.051358
[7/24/2021 10:45:40 AM] MEASURE: REFRESH PORTRAIT ASSETS - 0.005038
[7/24/2021 10:45:40 AM] MEASURE: REFRESH TOKEN ASSETS - 0.059314
[7/24/2021 10:45:40 AM] MEASURE: ASSET LIST BUILD - 0.116661
[7/24/2021 10:45:43 AM] MEASURE: LOAD - PART 1 - 21.511674
[7/24/2021 10:45:44 AM] Creating database backup. Saved to a unique file name. (db.script.#.xml)
[7/24/2021 10:45:44 AM] Campaign database backup created.
[7/24/2021 10:45:49 AM] MEASURE: MODULE LOAD - 5.095294 - AD&D 2E Players Handbook
[7/24/2021 10:45:49 AM] MEASURE: MODULE LOAD - 0.228696 - FG Battle Maps
[7/24/2021 10:45:50 AM] MEASURE: MODULE LOAD - 0.7452 - OSRIC Magic Items 1.0
[7/24/2021 10:45:55 AM] MEASURE: MODULE LOAD - 4.618676 - OsricFor2E
[7/24/2021 10:45:55 AM] s'data_options_adnd.lua' | s'updateMenuStyle' | s'OPTIONS_MENU' | s'sidebar'
[7/24/2021 10:45:56 AM] RULESET: Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition
(c) Wizards of the Coast
[7/24/2021 10:45:56 AM] RULESET: 2E v2021.06.03 For Fantasy Grounds
--by Celestian 2017-2021
[7/24/2021 10:45:56 AM] RULESET: Core RPG ruleset (v2021-07-06) for Fantasy Grounds
Copyright 2021 Smiteworks USA, LLC
[7/24/2021 10:45:57 AM] MEASURE: LOAD - PART 2 - 13.901904
[7/24/2021 10:46:01 AM] [WARNING] Frame d10red contains out-of-range values in TopLeft.
[7/24/2021 10:50:57 AM] Campaign saved.
[7/24/2021 10:55:58 AM] Campaign saved.
[7/24/2021 11:00:58 AM] Campaign saved.
[7/24/2021 11:05:58 AM] Campaign saved.


I don't see where I would load a sample campaign. I run D&D 1e, 5e campaigns, purchased players handbooks for both systems (2e and 5e + Tasha's). Same problems. Same problems with my friends running 5e too. They don't all have the time, skills or inclination necessary to post bug reports. I think you can probably assume that for every similar complaint, there will be up to 10 users that experienced the same problem who are not reporting (just using another system).

Output of top utility captured:
fantasy-grounds-top.png

Perhaps you can tell me how I should post the campaign info?

[damned]

one way is to type /console into chat and then press Compile Logs

[wndrngdru]

I have a T440 with 8GB of RAM, SSD, i7-3520M (2 cores) @ 2.9 GHz running Linux Mint. My CPU load rarely goes over 20% and /vsync 4 quiets the fan right down for me.
I do have the HD 4000 graphics chip, not Haswell Mobile, but I really don't know which is better.

This is mostly used as a player view on a separate screen so I don't run discord on it at the same time although it has, in the past, been used as a full-on player client with TeamSpeak running too and didn't have any issues for more than 4 hours.

[Trenloe]

Sure. As I said, it is a Lenovo Thinkpad T440 with 12 GB ram, SSD.
I run Debian buster.

Are your friend who are experiencing issues also running Linux?
Do the players experience the issues all at the same time (suggesting it's a GM issue) or do the players have issues at different times?
Have you tried using the cloud connectivity rather than a direct connection?

[dimonic]

So my two other GM friends run Windows, and one could not get anyone connected at all - and suspects windows firewall issues (although he was trying to run cloud connect). He runs perfectly fine in Classic (so I don't think it has anything to do with windows firewall). The other was running windows on an 8GB laptop, and went well for about 2 hours before audio became an issue, and needed to restart FGU and then discord before it was playable to finish the game. These two being cases in point of not reporting issues - just moving on.

In the time when I was running using FGU, one friend could not run it effectively at all as a client on his aging desktop - the FGU seemed to work, but audio on discord was unintelligable. This ruled it out for me as a GM with that group. For my other groups, I have tried it more than once, but always run into audio issues after an hour or two. At the moment, I just don't feel it is "safe" to start a game using FGU, with the feeling that it will crap out at some point during the game each time.

[LordEntrails]

Ill get more spe a and data when I get back home.. but a quick summary and test before I had an appointment told me the following;
Dell M3500
My FGU play campaign, been using since FGU went live, idles at about 3% and with the seadeeps map from DoMM open and 5 PCs with lOS and lighting idles at 7% on my external monitor. This campaign is 5E, has most or all of the DM.resources loaded (PHB, DMG, XGtE, MToF, etc) as well as at least DoMM loaded at the moment, plus some custom modules and about a dozen extensions.

I would find 30% CPU well within acceptable expectations. For work I normally peak workstations and servers above 80% all the time. Anything below 80% should have negligible performance scaling.

As said by others, if your fan is on that might be ok, if it's hot, check your cooling. Laptops used on the lap often get the venting clogged by fabric fluff etc.

[dimonic]

I haven't seen any GPU settings that I can try. No-one seems to post suggestions that apply to Linux. I have tried /vsync 4 and it does help somewhat. However, I see static load of around 100% with no players logged in and just a map sitting there with no interaction. I don't know what it is doing, but (in my view) it isn't doing anything that I would expect to see 100% CPU use for.

I can't very well put in a cheap GPU - there aren't any for laptops as far as I know. I don't really want to go into my office and use my desktop for after dinner gaming. I don't think it's too much to expect that software for a TTRPG should run on a decent laptop. If you are expecting a desktop rig, you are running full tilt in the opposite direction to the market, which in case you haven't noticed, is increasingly mobile and lightweight.

Perhaps it doesn't "require" a gaming rig - but I bet the developers all work on powerful rigs with GPUs. Perhaps they should set one of them up with an integrated GPU system like mine for a couple of weeks. I normally use mine for compiles of cross-platform software (gcc-linux-armhf-gnueabi) and it's fine for that. Any developer worth their salt would fix the problem if they had to live with it until it was fixed.

[dimonic]

If mine ran like that you wouldn't hear a word of complaint from me. Mine uses 110% standing still.