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    Quote Originally Posted by Talyn View Post
    Yes, the Trolls are awesome guys, that's primarily why I stuck around on C&C and joined their ranks of editors.

    Anyway, without going into details and dirty laundry that has no business being aired in a public forum, TLG just confirmed that no one else has been assigned to ABP, no one is working on it. My local copy is 90-something percent finished -- everything is done except for the remainder of the actual backpacks which have to be hand-coded so that they will automatically unpack into the character inventory when dropped -- and TLG would like me to complete the project. There is some minor Lua scripting that I would like to add for this but that's purely a "would be nice" not something that's required.
    Great news. Happy coding to you! Can't wait to buy the finished product.

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    The ABP would bring a lot of additional options to a C&C game on Fantasy Grounds - classes, spells, equipment packs... all those would be great additions. It would be really nice to have in the store, so I hope you're able to finish it Talyn.

    I'm reasonably sure it would sell well for a C&C release and my PayPal wallet stands at the ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD View Post
    The ABP would bring a lot of additional options to a C&C game on Fantasy Grounds - classes, spells, equipment packs... all those would be great additions. It would be really nice to have in the store, so I hope you're able to finish it Talyn.

    I'm reasonably sure it would sell well for a C&C release and my PayPal wallet stands at the ready.
    100% agree. Whenever this gets released, they ( Smiteworks ) would do well to bundle it with the ruleset. Regardless, they'll get my money on day one. I think the ABP goes with the PHB the same way that the 5th edition PHB goes with Xanathar's Guide To Everything. It's a must-have. I think a lot of people don't understand the way things get made for FG ( including me). A lot of these folks, like Talyn aren't paid employees of either Smiteworks or the company behind the system ( in this case troll lord). Instead of hassling them, we should be on Smiteworks, asking why they treat this ruleset and its users like redheaded stepchildren. I get that they make most of their money off of 5th Edition stuff. but if they supported this ruleset with more products, and products that work properly, I would be willing to part with more of my hard earned money to support them.
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    Well, let's be honest: despite the guys at SmiteWorks having a great relationship with the Trolls (in fact they called the Trolls for Kickstarter advice for FGU), it's a business. D&D is the 800 lb. gorilla in every market, so that's what gets the attention. Then Pathfinder, then Savage Worlds. The release of 2E did major damage to the C&C sales, but it's still there.

    But yeah, there are a lot of moving parts behind the scenes that don't get talked about much, plus all of us have real lives and real jobs (although Covid-19 has interfered in both of those for some of us) and those come first.

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    Can't disagree.Sometimes I feel like part of C&C's appeal is that a lot of us feel like we just kinda stumbled on this little treasure of a system that even today, a lot of gamers haven't heard about, or just dismissed as an OSR system.I never wouldda known about it if I hadn't ran across the Troll's booth at gencon one year ( I think it was the last year they were actually at Gencon Indy) and Stephen ( if I remember right) did a quick little demo of it and sold me the PHB and M&T for a ridiculous low price. Wizards had really stumbled with 4th Edition and Pathfinder was the big thing that year, so I didn't even bother to crack the books open for a couple months. But when I did, I really liked what they offered.
    Sorry to veer off into a tangent.
    Anyway, yeah I get it. Plus they are a relatively small company, and I get the impression that they are not organised in how they tackle things, at all (their Twitch streams are like an endless comedy of errors). But it does look like they are starting to sort some things out. I hope so.5th edition is great. Pathfinder is cool too, as is Savage Worlds. But, C&C is my system of choice hands down.
    You've done great stuff for C&C, and it's much appreciated. I dunno what they pay you guys who work on this, but it's not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueshaft View Post
    ... we should be on Smiteworks, asking why they treat this ruleset and its users like redheaded stepchildren. I get that they make most of their money off of 5th Edition stuff. but if they supported this ruleset with more products, and products that work properly, I would be willing to part with more of my hard earned money to support them.
    This is the same for *all* rulesets. SmiteWorks do very little conversion of products to FG - it's all done by work-for-hire (commission based) part-time converters. This is the case for 5E as well. But because 5E sells well (and has more people playing it) then you get more products converted. People who convert products that aren't for 5E very rarely get anything like minimum hourly wage based off their work. For most it's a labour of love for the hobby and RPG system they want to see more FG products for.

    If you want to see more products for your favourite RPG system on Fantasy Grounds then consider becoming a FG converter - this is the only way that more products will get out there. But keep in mind that your recompense, like most work in the RPG industry in general, is not a large amount unless lots and lots of the converted FG product sells.
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