Thread: Blinded Condition VS Dex saves
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April 1st, 2020, 02:19 #1
Blinded Condition VS Dex saves
How does the Blinded Condition effect Dex saves?
Blinded
A blinded creature can’t see and automatically fails any ability check that requires sight.
Attack rolls against the creature have advantage, and the creature’s Attack rolls have disadvantage.
So it effects Ability Checks but not saves? This seems kinda wrong unless I'm missing something?
If anyone can help clarify this for me I'd really appreciate it
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April 1st, 2020, 03:22 #2
imo, saves are an ability check with proficiency. So they are affected as well.
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April 1st, 2020, 05:53 #3
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April 1st, 2020, 10:35 #4
Indeed as Gavin says, a Saving throw is not an ability check and is unaffected by the condition. However as always the DM is free to make any adjustments they think necessary for the particular situation.
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April 1st, 2020, 14:21 #5
There are three types of checks in 5e: attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks. Ability checks include the idea of skills and using tools, as well as a raw test of ability.
These three are mutually exclusive and specifically named in the rules that apply to them.I never claimed to be sane. Besides, it's more fun this way.
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April 1st, 2020, 15:03 #6
Some things which may appear to be their own thing, are actually implementations of the saves or checks as well.
For example.
Rolling Initiative is a Dexterity check.
A concentration check for spells is actually a Constitution Saving Throw.
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April 1st, 2020, 18:36 #7
Anyone know if Sage Advice or others have ever addressed this question?
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April 1st, 2020, 18:48 #8For support with any of my extensions, visit my #mattekure-stuff channel on Rob2e's discord https://discord.gg/rob2e
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April 1st, 2020, 18:52 #9
The only semi-official ruling on this isnt terribly definitive or official.
Jeremy Crawford was asked in a tweet "@JeremyECrawford Blinded creatures fail ability checks that require sight. Would this affect their ability to DEX spell save. RAW check/save"
His reply was "Ability checks & saving throws aren't the same. See the Sage Advice Compendium"For support with any of my extensions, visit my #mattekure-stuff channel on Rob2e's discord https://discord.gg/rob2e
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April 1st, 2020, 20:36 #10
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Relevant answer from the Sage Advice Compendium (page 8):
Are attack rolls and saving throws basically specialized ability checks? They aren’t.
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If something in the game, like the guidance spell, affects one of them, the other two aren’t affected unless the rules specifically say so.
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